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Oct. 18, 2006 - Nordstrom, Service and Flat-Rate Real Estate

Yesterday there was a fairly spirited debate about the future of real estate commissions, particulary on the side of the buyers' agents, and whether a flat-rate structure truly represents the future or is little more than the latest marketing fad.

(NOTE: Some of you are probably clicking away from this page, including my wife who may be heading here instead of reading what her husband has to say. Some may view this entire debate as little more than an internecine squabble - agents arguing with each other. Rather than pulling out the rulers and measuring, we're instead blogging away. If you haven't quite clicked away, though, it might be worth staying since it is the service you will be receiving and, depending on which side of the transaction you're on, the dollars you are spending that are being discussed. I also believe your intelligence is being brought into question, but that's just me.)

I believe it's safe to assume everyone is familiar with Nordstrom. Fairly pricey clothing, offset by personalized service and an overall service guarantee that can't be beat: you can return an item for any reason - ANY reason - and the refund promptly is provided with a smile, no questions asked. How can they do this? Because they have the utmost confidence in their value proposition. A Tommy Bahama shirt is the same whether purchased at Nordstrom, Robinsons-May or Macy's. The difference is in the value of the service provided to the customer.

Nordstrom does not deign to enter the fray with sales on presidential birthdays, national holidays, or random Fridays spread throughout the calendar. The only discount to be found comes twice a year during the semi-annual sale. For some, like my friend Dawna, the semi-annual sale is a national holiday unto itself but that's another story. How can the store justify only two extensive sales a year? Again, supreme confidence in their value proposition.

For any business, the decision must be made at some point whether the business model will be based on price or on service. Even for those claiming that you can have excellent service at a lower price, public perception ultimately will be their undoing. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you're not going to convince someone you're a swan.

Two restaurants can have essentially the same menu and the same quality food, but if one has soft lighting and linen tablecloths and the other features a couple of wide-screen TVs tuned to ESPN, there's little doubt the former can charge more based on the ambience and remain as profitable as the latter. Each appeals to the clientele. Diners are not going to the second restaurant for a romantic evening (unless you're me, as my wife likely will point out). They're going for the food and the lesser price. End of story.

I believe this will be the crux of the debate regarding the future of real estate commissions - service and value versus price. And it's not at all a new debate. The only difference between the debate now and the debate then is we have the blogosphere (sorry, Kathie) in which we can hammer each other over the head with our own perspective.

All of the arguments that commissions based on a percentage of the sales price are doomed to extinction completely miss the fact there is a portion of the population - a significant portion of the population, in my view - who happily will pay for service. They want all of the trappings - the soft lighting, the candles, the violin music versus the NFL Game of the Week available in their own living room - and will pay to receive it. It is why AJ's markets remain in business even though there's little significant difference in its meat departments versus its parent company, Basha's, except in the greatly increased price. 

When service is your value proposition, service will sell.

Now take the flip side. Let's take the idea of a capped, flat-rate fee for service for buyers' agency as has been promoted and argued endlessly of late. Promises have been made that the service will be excellent, and of this we have no doubt. How you measure such an intangle or, more importantly, how the public measures such an intangible remains to be seen but we digress.

Let's say you advertise that you will cap your commission at $4,000 on a sale of properties $250,000 and under, with whatever remains of the co-broke on a property passed through directly to the buyer. Clearly, you should see an increase in business as those looking for the discount swarm like moths to the flame ... until another heat source appears on the horizon offering a cap at $3,900. And then another at $3,800. $3,700. $3,300. $2,500. Where does it end?

Take a look at the stock brokerage industry and the massive discounts offered a few years ago (most continuing today) and tell me, is there ever an end? I argue there is not. Once the journey down the discount path has begun - once the driving force of your business plan is not the service but the price, it's virtually impossible to pull back from the bring. There always - ALWAYS - will be someone undercutting the rest of the competition. It's the nature of a free-market system.

But let's go back to having service as the center of your business model. Service is intangible. It's touchy-feely. In many cases, it's nothing more than a feeling, a rush of endorphins akin to eating large quantities of chocolate. Most people can't define what makes great service better than good service, but they know when they've received it.

How do you compete when service is your core? By providing increasingly good service, of course. And is there any question that good service - communication, negotiating skill, contractual knowledge - is of benefit to the consumer at large? Can you honestly say there is nothing noble, nothing worthwhile among those who choose to promote service over price?

Is there any concrete evidence that a seismic shift will take place whereby consumers as a whole eschew service in favor of price, in real estate and other industries? Only in the discount crowd's rationalizations.

With service as your core message, provide excellent service and price becomes secondary. With price as your core message, all your client base wants to know about is the price and how it compares to everyone else. Service becomes secondary.

You can't have it both ways because the public won't buy it. Just ask the progenitors of the McDonalds Happy Meal for Adults.

(c) Jonathan Dalton, 2006 / Jonathan Dalton's Arizona Homes

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Oct. 20, 2006 - re: Nordstrom, Service and Flat-Rate Real Estate

Posted by Reuben Moore
Hi Jonathan - Well, your argument using Nordstrom as an example is very, very good.  But, I am afraid, it is also your undoing.  Nordstrom is great, no GREAT!  But, for every Nordstorm, and for all stores in that category, how many Wal-marts, K-mart, and Targets are there? Your argument is absolutely correct, but only for a certain percentage of the market.  Staying with your retail theme, in retail, there is a store for every need and more importantly, a store for every price point.  Make that a store for every price vs. service proposition.  So, not only is there Nordstrom and Walmart, there is also, Sears and JCPenny. The real issue here is that Nordstrom would NEVER argue to anyone, much less a government regulatory body, that Walmart should be banned from business because there customers are too stupid to make their own decisions.  But, that is exactly what is going on in our business. I would argue, if you want to provide a service-based model and can find clients to pay for it - Go for it!  But, if others have different models and they can find clients to pay for them, they should be free to do so.  It is a big market - actually, real estate may be the single largest business in America - believe me, there is room for everyone!
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Oct. 20, 2006 - re: Nordstrom, Service and Flat-Rate Real Estate

Posted by Jonathan Dalton
> But, if others have different models and they can find clients to pay for them, they should be free to do so. I agree with you. Sadly, NAR does some really, really dumb things in regards to the listings data and tries a little too hard to make life different for alternative models. I'm not sure my comparison is my undoing, though. We already have the Walmarts, K-Marts and Targets in our industry ... I ran against them over and over last year when the market was hot when the seller's only question was commission. "I can get 4% anywhere out there!" Great, Mr. Seller! Go get it! I'm just not convinced the new frontier of discounting the buyers' side of the deal is going to be the sea change some are claiming it to be.
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Oct. 24, 2006 - re: Nordstrom, Service and Flat-Rate Real Estate

Posted by Anonymous
It the internet that is changing everything Mr. Dalton, information passes through millions times faster than before and people keep beefing up that info via blogs like yours.   Look at the direction of the market now 80% percent start their home search online soon it will all start an the web.  And it didn't take that long in terms of business. Before internet, advertising and referal was all a consumer had to go on, but now one can scour the net and in relatively short time find what makes sense to him... Put that money conscious buyer in front of two identical models of business ex: Bloodhound realty  vs. Century 21) that have two different price tags  (ex: walmart  vs Nordstroms) with no sales person to pressure them.  I assure you a practical decision will get made.
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Oct. 24, 2006 - re: Nordstrom, Service and Flat-Rate Real Estate

Posted by Jonathan Dalton
> Look at the direction of the market now 80% percent start their home search online soon it will all start an the web. I absolutely count on it. Roughly half of my business the last two years has come directly through the Internet and folks who have found me through my primary site, Dalton's Arizona Homes and through my blogs. What I've found is Internet leads break into two separate groups - one (the much smaller group, by the way) are those who know exactly what they want, already have found it despite the information limitations on Realtor.com or my own search page, and just need me to show the property and write an offer. I can count on two fingers how many times that has happened. Most often, the Internet leads I receive are from folks with a rough idea of what they're looking for but they're counting on me to help narrow the search, show them homes they may miss in their own searches, help them negotiate the best possible offer and guide them through the process. Some are prequalified through a lender, many are not. Some have purchased before, many have not. Extremely few have gone through the process enough times that I'm not needed. I've worked with some of these clients for a year or more. Some may buy in the near future, some may never purchase. I use the web and other technologies to allow me to continue providing service to them, but I continue providing service. The question ultimately becomes how long will a flat-rate or rebate-based provided continue to work with a buyer with an extremely long timeframe? Some will continue working with these clients, no doubt. Others, knowing their profit margin has been thinned, may actually exert more pressure on a buyer to purchase knowing that after a month, two months, maybe a little longer, it's no longer profitable to continue working with them. I appreciate the thoughts ... P.S. I believe both Greg and I would disagree we have identical models of business, though for decidedly different reasons.
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Oct. 9, 2007 - RE: Nordstrom, Service and Flat-Rate Real Estate

Posted by Craig Davidenko
Denial, some people think certain things last forever....well the NAR lost the "Holy Grail" "MLS" when the internet was born....many many years ago dinosaurs romed the earth along with real estate agents and their "mls book" .....they had info that was only seen by their eyes and for their eyes only! Now in 2007 the percentage of people using the internet to find real estate is at an all time high of 90%......that said people are doing most of the work so they should be rightfully compensated....flat rate real estate is the future of real estate and it is her now!!! The persons that mentioned wal-mart are right on the money......the difference of Nordstrom and Walmart is in the traffic count.........everybody wants a deal and they will do any thing to get it .......that why the word "sale" has 2 different meanings "for sale" and on"sale"!!!
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